Some really interesting Nayuta details.

[SIN]

This is sounding really cool, it's definitely different plotwise for this type of Falcom game.

http://rpgfan.com/news/2012/1343.html

[Kirbs]

I keep thinking The legend of Zelda Oracle of Seasons when I see this.

[SIN]

I thought of that too lol.

[The Shadow Court]

Saw this the other day and added info to the Wikia. I'm loving how the world is so surreal and just out there, as opposed to the usual RPG world.

[Peytral]

Saw this the other day and added info to the Wikia. I'm loving how the world is so surreal and just out there, as opposed to the usual RPG world.

Yeah, I think this is what got me, too. That and the whole "seasonal change" thing. It just sounds so amazing.

[Savin877]

Cant wait for the inevitable XSEED localization announcement
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https://allencentre.wikispaces.com/file/view/skeleton.png/61950286/skeleton.png

[Peytral]

Okay, that got a chuckle out of me. Well played.

[Ivy]

@Savin - that caused the greatest laugh I have had in a few weeks. Thank you.

[reyvard]

oh man Savin died of waiting :o

[SIN]

Some screens in case you guys haven't seen them.
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/04/13/trails-of-nayutas-first-screens-show-falcoms-newest-heroic-duo/

[Peytral]

Oh god, the more I find out about this game, the more I want it. If it lives up to my hype, it'll probably be the best game ever. D:

[PringlesXD]

Oh, that looks quite different from the usual LoH games. That's nice. (:

[KnightofAncient]

This is not even a LoH game due to the exlusion of "Legend of Heroes" in the title. It is now a Kiseki game.

[PringlesXD]

Ah, sorry about that. Still, pretty different.

[KnightofAncient]

I just hope its not as bright during the action. The action will prove this game justice.

[The Shadow Court]

This is not even a LoH game due to the exlusion of "Legend of Heroes" in the title. It is now a Kiseki game.
Just my two cents, but I do think it was kind of pointless for them to remove the "Legend of Heroes" title but keep the Kiseki one.

[Peytral]

Just my two cents, but I do think it was kind of pointless for them to remove the "Legend of Heroes" title but keep the Kiseki one.

Well, considering "Kiseki" became its own series... I mean, The Legend of Heroes used to be part of the "Dragon Slayer" series but dropped it for the... I think third game on? So it's not really that surprising.

Also that keeps them from having to make it "The Legend of Heroes VIII: Nayuta no Kiseki".

[The Shadow Court]

Incoming dumb theory:

Maybe the world of Nayuta no Kiseki is the Outside Reason mentioned in the Trails games....

[Miyuki]

Or something similar to Phantasm/Shadow Kingdom of the 3rd. It would explain things, but knowing it's Falcom things are never this easy to guess.

[Wyrdwad]

My theory, based on the look of the game, its setting and what we know about its story, is that it's actually Zwei III -- Falcom just realized it would sell better if it had "Kiseki" in the title. ;)

Seriously, this looks sooooo much like a Zwei game (mixed with Ys Seven), and nothing at all like any previous Legend of Heroes title.

And I am EXTREMELY interested in playing it (Zwei II and Gurumin -- which I've always considered a spiritual sequel to Zwei in many ways -- are among my favorite Falcom titles, after all!).

-Tom

[321jassman]

So..., since it's not related to the Legend of Heroes (sorta), think you and Xseed might be interested to localize it in English?

[Peytral]

Seriously, this looks sooooo much like a Zwei game (mixed with Ys Seven), and nothing at all like any previous Legend of Heroes title.

Hence why it doesn't have the Legend of Heroes name, probably. :)

[Chaosblade]

That would be disappointing if true, if only because I have this weird feeling that if it were titled Zwei III it would probably have a better chance of localization even if it were the same exact game. I guess I just have this mental link between "Kiseki" and "mountains of unlocalizable text." It doesn't really matter though, since it's a PSP game in 2012 anyway.

[The Shadow Court]

I still like to think of it as an LoH game. It seems it even has the Poms which were introduced in the Kiseki games. Little white balls of fur are what connect this game to the rest of the series. Heh.

[Peytral]

It seems it even has the Poms which were introduced in the Kiseki games. Little white balls of fur are what connect this game to the rest of the series. Heh.

... but since the Poms are from Kiseki, how does that connect it to LoH. :X

[Wyrdwad]

Well, up until now, Kiseki HAS been LoH. Nayuta is the first and only game in the series to drop the LoH moniker.

Also, it's not the name that makes the Kiseki games hard to localize, nor the platform. It really is just the insane amount of text, paired with the interconnectedness of the series as a whole. If my theory is correct, though, there shouldn't be AS much text (though Zwei II still has a hell of a lot of text in it compared to non-Kiseki Falcom titles -- probably as much as any of the LoH Gagharv games!), nor AS much of a connection. So yeah... it has a chance! We'll just have to wait and see how realistic it would be. (:

-Tom

[Raguna]

Falcom sure has a very creative team and a writer who wants to express everything that he works in or he just likes making a big buildup before a boss battle.

[KnightofAncient]

Well, good to hear that there is at least a possibility depending on how the game turns out to be.

[Chaosblade]

Well, up until now, Kiseki HAS been LoH. Nayuta is the first and only game in the series to drop the LoH moniker.

Also, it's not the name that makes the Kiseki games hard to localize, nor the platform. It really is just the insane amount of text, paired with the interconnectedness of the series as a whole. If my theory is correct, though, there shouldn't be AS much text (though Zwei II still has a hell of a lot of text in it compared to non-Kiseki Falcom titles -- probably as much as any of the LoH Gagharv games!), nor AS much of a connection. So yeah... it has a chance! We'll just have to wait and see how realistic it would be. (:

-Tom

Well, if XSEED is willing to release a PSP game I'm interested by the time you'd be have this ready to go gold, I'd be there. Not sure how many people would be there with me though.

And it's not so much the name itself, just the connotations that come with it.

[Wyrdwad]

Well, we could always do something about the name, since translating it to English would be generally recommended.

Honestly, I think "Nayuta," by itself, has a pretty nice ring to it, don't you? ;)

-Tom

[Peytral]

I'm not really sure how you could go about translating Nayuta no Kiseki, anyways. Really, all of the Trails games after Sora seem like they'd either sound really awkward or like you'd have to really get creative.

[Wyrdwad]

Yeah, we kinda shot ourselves in the foot by calling the first game "Trails in the Sky," suggesting all subsequent titles need to be "Trails of ___" in English. Zero no Kiseki would be best translated as something like "Zero Trajectory," but then its connection to the Sora no Kiseki games wouldn't be particularly apparent. And "Ao no Kiseki" just sounds weird no matter what variation you use -- "Blue Trails"? "Blue Trajectory"? ;)

Then there's Nayuta no Kiseki, where Nayuta is actually the main character's name. "Nayuta's Trails"? Yeeeeeah...

Good thing we don't have to worry about any of that for a long, long while, I suppose. ;)

-Tom

[The Shadow Court]

Yeah, we kinda shot ourselves in the foot by calling the first game "Trails in the Sky," suggesting all subsequent titles need to be "Trails of ___" in English. Zero no Kiseki would be best translated as something like "Zero Trajectory," but then its connection to the Sora no Kiseki games wouldn't be particularly apparent. And "Ao no Kiseki" just sounds weird no matter what variation you use -- "Blue Trails"? "Blue Trajectory"? ;)

Then there's Nayuta no Kiseki, where Nayuta is actually the main character's name. "Nayuta's Trails"? Yeeeeeah...

Good thing we don't have to worry about any of that for a long, long while, I suppose. ;)

-Tom
Trails of Infinity? Infinity Trajectory? Infinite Herschel? LOL!

[reyvard]

oh man "Trajectory" sound a little false no ?

[Chaosblade]

Kiseki also means "miracle" doesn't it?

Fitting, considering that's what would be needed for those later games to get localized ;)

[Wyrdwad]

It's a homonym for the word "miracle," but the kanji used to write it are different. The kanji used for the game's title can only mean "tracks," "trails" or "locus," pretty much. (And any other word that kinda fits with those themes, like "trajectory.")

-Tom

[omgfloofy]

Trails of Infinity? Infinity Trajectory?

I would almost suggest that the name 'Nayuta' should remain preserved, since that is actually a Sanskrit word. It also has Buddhist meanings, as well. The latter is probably the reason why there's a kanji spelling of it that still possesses the Sanskrit pronunciation.

That's just my guess, however.

[Chaosblade]

It's a homonym for the word "miracle," but the kanji used to write it are different. The kanji used for the game's title can only mean "tracks," "trails" or "locus," pretty much. (And any other word that kinda fits with those themes, like "trajectory.")

-Tom

So only the kana is the same. Yeah, I don't know anything about kanji beyond the fact it exists at this point ;) I don't really look forward to learning them if I ever get to that point either, don't see how you can keep track of so many complex characters.

[Wyrdwad]

So only the kana is the same. Yeah, I don't know anything about kanji beyond the fact it exists at this point ;) I don't really look forward to learning them if I ever get to that point either, don't see how you can keep track of so many complex characters.

The answer is simple: computers. ;)

-Tom

[KnightofAncient]

We have a gameplay video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsCGK9Pw_uo&feature=player_embedded

[The Shadow Court]

The action is a lot faster paced than I expected. Almost gave off a Sonic vibe there.

[WaltherFeng]

My god, XSEED, please sign a contract with Falcom for this game.

Now if only clinging to false hope would make things any better.

[Savin877]

So only the kana is the same. Yeah, I don't know anything about kanji beyond the fact it exists at this point ;) I don't really look forward to learning them if I ever get to that point either, don't see how you can keep track of so many complex characters.

An hour a day, 5 days a week = 50-100 new kanji for me every week. I then studied those same 50-100 for a 2nd week and used them in basic sentences and short essays.

You'll be surprised how quickly you get to 1000, 2000, etc. I havent had any need to use the kanji I learned for a long time now so my long term memory has kept about 500-600 of them around in my noggin. As for all the others.....well Tom already answered that question.

[JiggiUp]

My god, XSEED, please sign a contract with Falcom for this game.

Now if only clinging to false hope would make things any better.
I'd kinda rather get the last four games translated first, though an action RPG would definitely be an easier sell in the West.

[none123]

Don't speculate too much yet. We have no idea if it's really connected to the rest of the kiseki series or not.

[321jassman]

Don't speculate too much yet. We have no idea if it's really connected to the rest of the kiseki series or not.
If it isn't and doesn't have a lot of text compared to SC then it might stand a chance of being brought over.

[Chaosblade]

If it isn't and doesn't have a lot of text compared to SC then it might stand a chance of being brought over.

To be fair, most games don't have "a lot of text compared to SC." It could still be a very text-heavy game and still not have nearly as much text as that one.

Anyway, I get the feeling there are going to be connections (since Falcom has said Kiseki fans will see why they used that title). Whether or not they are big connections that will be spoilers for games not released here is another question.

Still, I think the fact it's a PSP game hurts. It would be an interesting experiment to see how many people will still be interested in new PSP games that far into the Vita's life.

[JiggiUp]

Someone should check whether SC has more text than Planescape Torment.

[Chaosblade]

800,000 words vs around 3.5 million Japanese characters, apparently.

I'd guess it would just come down to how the translation is handled, they're probably pretty similar.

[The Shadow Court]

Anyway, I get the feeling there are going to be connections (since Falcom has said Kiseki fans will see why they used that title). Whether or not they are big connections that will be spoilers for games not released here is another question.
At least those "dastardly fluffs" are one connection, if the carrying case with the CE is any indication. :D

[JiggiUp]

Do we know if this is running on the Ys Seven engine like Celceta? If so, I suspect it may have started development as an Ys game, but they switched it over when they decided that the Kiseki brand was more profitable. That would explain the lack of connection to the main series, despite having the Kiseki name.

[Chaosblade]

Actually a lot of people have speculated it started as Zwei 3, but they made it a Kiseki game because it would sell better.

[Wyrdwad]

That's my theory, yeah. (: To be fair, though, it's hard to tell from that one brief video. This could be the Ys Seven engine, or the Zwei II engine, or a brand new (but very similar) engine.

-Tom

[The Shadow Court]

I was editing different dimensions for my wikia and I was just thinking I'd still like to think of Nayuta no Kiseki as being separate but still in the same universe. It could fit in with the cosmology with the rest of the series but remain apart, as it's own world. <span style="color:#000000; background-color:#000000;">The world in which Gagharv exists, Zemuria, Hades, The Outside Reason, Phantasma, Weismann's Tormented Faces Of Woe Dimension and then we have now Lost Heaven.</span>

I just still like the idea of LoH sharing one multiverse. You're going to find everything LoH and Kiseki, but you wouldn't run into, say, Squall or Commander Shepard here.

[Wyrdwad]

I also like my theory of this originally being Zwei III *mixed* with the idea of the Legend of Heroes having a consistent universe... because that would mean the Legend of Heroes universe and the Zwei universe (and, if another theory of mine holds water, the Gurumin universe) are all one and the same.

And that would simply be EPIC. ;)

-Tom

[omgfloofy]

Woah, spoiler region. Game/series spoilers.

<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#000000;">
There's no confirmation that Gagharv and Zemuria are in the same world. As of now, it's just little references in the form of 'throwbacks' to Gagharv. While I'm one of the subscribers to the theory that they are two continents in the same world, nothing has come out to confirm this.

Also, Weismann's Tormented Faces Of Woe Dimension is related to Phantasma. As a note. </span>

There are assumptions, however, in that post on theories that have no confirmation to them whatsoever.

[The Shadow Court]

Woah, spoiler region. Game/series spoilers.

<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#000000;">
There's no confirmation that Gagharv and Zemuria are in the same world. As of now, it's just little references in the form of 'throwbacks' to Gagharv. While I'm one of the subscribers to the theory that they are two continents in the same world, nothing has come out to confirm this.

Also, Weismann's Tormented Faces Of Woe Dimension is related to Phantasma. As a note. </span>

There are assumptions, however, in that post on theories that have no confirmation to them whatsoever.
Sorry, I did mean to say universe and not world and I realize it's just a speculation. Was more of a semantics thing. I'm working on not much sleep in the last couple of days. :\

Edit: As far as spoiler tags, I brought up I couldn't figure out how to do it and that it was removed. I don't know how to do the "work around" for it.

[omgfloofy]

Edit: As far as spoiler tags, I brought up I couldn't figure out how to do it and that it was removed. I don't know how to do the "work around" for it.

I didn't either until Kirbs posted it. I didn't think span tags worked with bbcode.
http://xseedgames.com/forums/showthread.php?1701-A-question-out-of-curiosity.&p=56549&viewfull=1#post56549

[The Shadow Court]

I didn't either until Kirbs posted it. I didn't think span tags worked with bbcode.
http://xseedgames.com/forums/showthread.php?1701-A-question-out-of-curiosity.&p=56549&viewfull=1#post56549
Thanks. I went ahead and edited the post to add the spoiler. And my mistake regarding what I wrote. Insomnia sucks, which I regularly battle with but fortunately, that was a just a minor error. I even made it pretty clear on my Wikia numerous times that it's speculation and nothing more, in regards to the appropriate articles. However, like yourself, I prefer the theory as being true. :)

[reyvard]

SPOILERS ZERO NO KISEKI

well there is also another dimension in ao no kiseki where lloyd find Kea : the world of zero
oh and shadow court sorry for my inactivity on the wikia I'm going to come back on it soon but for now I'm just very busy

[omgfloofy]

I would point out that that's definitely an Ao no Kiseki spoiler, too. <span style="color:#000000; background-color:#000000;">That's part of Ao no Kiseki's ending.</span>

[KnightofAncient]

Another gameplay video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htIlmEwBxcg

[Wyrdwad]

Looks soooooooo good...

I love the thought process involved here, too. Why climb a ladder... when you can ROLL UP IT instead?! ;) Definitely the most epic ladder-climbing I've ever seen! Heheheheh...

-Tom

[KnightofAncient]

Ya, rolling up the ladder using the gears in her hair it looks like. Also, there was that music in the background at 0:57 that caught my attention. I cant wait to hear the main theme.

Forgot to add to my above post that 2 more characters are revealed.

http://www.falcom.com/nayuta_psp/character.html

[WaltherFeng]

Looks soooooooo good...

I love the thought process involved here, too. Why climb a ladder... when you can ROLL UP IT instead?! ;) Definitely the most epic ladder-climbing I've ever seen! Heheheheh...

-Tom

I have to disagree with you there. The most epic ladder-climbing is the Naked Snake vs The Ladder boss fight.

What a thrill...

[Kovaelin]

Looks soooooooo good...

I love the thought process involved here, too. Why climb a ladder... when you can ROLL UP IT instead?! ;) Definitely the most epic ladder-climbing I've ever seen! Heheheheh...

-Tom

WhAt the... why am I not even questioning whether or not things like this make sense anymore?

[Peytral]

oh god

those dungeons

that music

hnnnnnnnnnnngh

[The Shadow Court]

http://i.imgur.com/pomhE.jpg

[Fabrizo]

If they changed the characters to Adol and Dogi and renamed it Ys8 I wouldn't even blink :p

[JiggiUp]

As mentioned before, there's a good chance this started development as an Ys or Zwei game, and the Kiseki branding was a marketing decision because it's currently Falcom's most popular series.

[The Shadow Court]

So isn't Misshi another reference and/or "connection" to the Kiseki series? Honestly, I'm still on the fence how 'connected' Nayuta is to the rest of the series and if I should start some individual pages (mainly the characters) for it..... would it be feasible to include it with the rest of LoH wikia.

Edit: So, I'm "Pop 'N Fresh" right now. lol.

[omgfloofy]

Mishie is the mascot of Michelam Wonderland in Zero/Ao no Kiseki. But they've yet to really say what kind of ties it has to the other Kiseki series, and they're playing coy on that. My guess? Just wait for the game to come out to be absolutely sure. Putting misinformation out there isn't worth jumping the gun.

[The Shadow Court]

Mishie is the mascot of Michelam Wonderland in Zero/Ao no Kiseki. But they've yet to really say what kind of ties it has to the other Kiseki series, and they're playing coy on that. My guess? Just wait for the game to come out to be absolutely sure. Putting misinformation out there isn't worth jumping the gun.
Yeah, I'll probably wait. I was only considering adding character pages and putting up what is already known from what was released, anyways. For the meantime, I'll just keep everything on the Nayuta no Kiseki page. On that note, I guess I'm not too surprised they would continue with adding mascots from the Kiseki series. It's kind of like Cid or Chocobos from FF.

[Kovaelin]

Are poms a common thing in all these worlds?

[The Shadow Court]

Are poms a common thing in all these worlds?
They appeared in the Kiseki series. I don't recall them in the Gagharv games.

[Chaosblade]

People were talking about title translations earlier. They could just make it easy and go with the Bing Translate title.

Yuki Naka Multi Locus


To think, people actually use a program to use machine translations to attempt to play these games in English? And that's still better than Google translate. It gets the "multi locus" part but doesn't even attempt to translate Nayuta. ;)

[KnightofAncient]

Promo Video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FQJrujzApA

Looks really nice.

[Fabrizo]

Looks sooo good. *Reserves a spot in shelf next to other Falcom Premium boxes for Nayuta*

[Wyrdwad]

1:46.

Food has a healing value AND an experience value.

This is *totally* a Zwei game. (:

(And yes, it looks amazing!)

-Tom

[321jassman]

1:46.

Food has a healing value AND an experience value.

This is *totally* a Zwei game. (:

(And yes, it looks amazing!)

-Tom
So Tom, think XSEED might be interested? Maybe a little? :)

[Wyrdwad]

No idea. But I know *I'm* sure interested! Which means XSEED will be getting lots of puppy-dog stares and obnoxiousness from me, if nothing else. ;)

-Tom

[321jassman]

No idea. But I know *I'm* sure interested! Which means XSEED will be getting lots of puppy-dog stares and obnoxiousness from me, if nothing else. ;)

-Tom
Haha, some people are already saying "you know what to do XSEED" and with Ys Celceta too.

Though didn't you say how the Falcom partnership gave you guys 'first dibs' on their games? :)

[The Enigma]

Anybody able to translate what the guy in the last video was saying?

[Chaosblade]

Haha, some people are already saying "you know what to do XSEED" and with Ys Celceta too.

Though didn't you say how the Falcom partnership gave you guys 'first dibs' on their games? :)

Well, one could infer that Ys is in a little better position since those games apparently sold well enough to at least meet their expectations (and seemed to have some legs as well, more so than I'd guess a lot of XSEED's releases have).

Anyway, if Nayuta were to get localized, it would probably be by XSEED. The partnership would give them the right of first refusal, but even if they weren't going to do it, I doubt anybody else would give it a shot anyway.

[Kovaelin]

Omigosh. Pom! Waaant!

[none123]

No idea. But I know *I'm* sure interested! Which means XSEED will be getting lots of puppy-dog stares and obnoxiousness from me, if nothing else. ;)

-Tom

How about ordering 100 mishie plushies for your co-workers? :)

[KnightofAncient]

Anybody able to translate what the guy in the last video was saying?

FYI: That is the president of Nihon Falcom. :). Which makes the video more interesting.

[The Shadow Court]

This gaming is shaping up and looking good!

[Wyrdwad]

Anybody able to translate what the guy in the last video was saying?

The basic gist is as follows:

- The game features locations and characters totally unique within the Kiseki series -- including characters who "can't be seen anywhere but here" (whether that applies to the future as well, it's hard to say).

- This game is a "culmination of all the things Falcom is good at doing," basically.

- Other Kiseki games focus on specific parts of the Zemuria continent, but this game is designed to take a broader look at the world as a whole.

- This is not the end of traditional Kiseki games, but rather a new challenge Falcom decided to undertake.

-Tom

[SpaceDrake]

- Other Kiseki games focus on specific parts of the Zemuria continent, but this game is designed to take a broader look at the world as a whole.

Didn't they specifically say that this isn't taking place in Zemuria, though? That it isn't connected to the "LoH" Kiseki games at all?

(Also yeah this is so totally a rebranded Zwei game)

[omgfloofy]

Didn't they specifically say that this isn't taking place in Zemuria, though? That it isn't connected to the "LoH" Kiseki games at all?

(Also yeah this is so totally a rebranded Zwei game)

I think it was that he said that it's not tied to the Zemuria stories, but players familiar with the other Kiseki titles will find links and understand why it's called '--no Kiseki.'

[Wyrdwad]

Didn't they specifically say that this isn't taking place in Zemuria, though? That it isn't connected to the "LoH" Kiseki games at all?

What I gathered from Kondo-san's quote is that this game indeed does NOT take place in Zemuria... but rather in the rest of the world. Because remember, Zemuria is just one continent!

-Tom

[Kovaelin]

Do all Legend of Heroes games take place in the same world?

[Wyrdwad]

Not as far as we know, but there's nothing to suggest definitively that they don't, either -- and there have been certain easter eggs in certain LoH games suggesting that they may -- so this game might answer that question once and for all.

-Tom

[Wyrdwad]

Ooh. Watching the trailer again, I think I misinterpreted what Kondo-san was saying.

He's saying that the Trails games, as well as Zero and Ao, are very focused games, made possible because they take place in only one small corner of the Zemuria continent... whereas Nayuta is designed to be a world-spanning story.

There's nothing in his comment that specifically states it takes place in the same world as the other Kiseki games, however, as I'd previously interpreted him to be saying.

...But there's also nothing that says it doesn't!

-Tom

[omgfloofy]

You have exactly what I'm thinking, Tom. He's saying it's not directly related to the Zemuria stories, but people familiar with the Kiseki series will get the reason for the title, I guess. I don't think it's going to be 100% unrelated, I think? Maybe?

Maybe something they can't actually tell in the Zemuria story, but a little piece of info to help the world-building?

idk ._.;;

[Peytral]

I just realized: So far, what we've seen of this game visually/conceptually kind of reminds me of a Shinkai work, for some reason.

What are your thoughts on this, Tom?

[The Shadow Court]

There's some more new screenshots of Nayuta no Kiseki that can be found at: http://andriasang.com/con12r/nayuta_no_kiseki_screens/

It also has some more information regarding things to be found in the game.

[Wyrdwad]

I just realized: So far, what we've seen of this game visually/conceptually kind of reminds me of a Shinkai work, for some reason.

What are your thoughts on this, Tom?

I'm... not really getting that connection, honestly.

For me, it's still giving a tremendous Zwei vibe more than anything else.

-Tom

[KnightofAncient]

New trailer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laJ5d1SVwd8

[Wyrdwad]

Soooooooo amazing-looking...

-Tom

[The Enigma]

Really hope we get this someday and thats its not connected to the current Kiseki series at all.

[Link800]

Man new trailer is really good

[Peytral]

so much waaaaaaaant

[Savin877]

A POM-CASE! All of my money!

But seriously this game just keeps looking better and better. I love Falcom's work and while a lot of their stuff has the same "vibe" to it; it is still refreshing enough to play and enjoy.

Man, if it were ever feasible for publishers to do kickstarter campaigns when localizing foreign games I would so back the $100 marker for that Pom case.

[The Shadow Court]

Really hope we get this someday and thats its not connected to the current Kiseki series at all.
I kind of like to think of it as them being in the same universe. Preferably, I'd like to see Gagharv (Tirasweel, El Phildin and Weltluna) and Zemuria on one world with Nayuta no Kiseki taking place on another world(s), but existing within the same dimension. That would explain things like the Poms and Mishie. Noi seems to hail from another world too.

[Ryos]

Really hope we get this someday and thats its not connected to the current Kiseki series at all.

Considering it has a different series name I'd hope they're not related barring maybe the small cameo, but that has more to do with the fact that this sort of game would fare better here than a traditional RPG (well, that and I'd love to see it anyway, since Ys Seven shows Falcom knows how to put together a compelling narrative in an action RPG and I'd love to see how the Legend of Heroes style would apply to a lengthy action RPG).

[omgfloofy]

Considering it has a different series name I'd hope they're not related barring maybe the small cameo, but that has more to do with the fact that this sort of game would fare better here than a traditional RPG (well, that and I'd love to see it anyway, since Ys Seven shows Falcom knows how to put together a compelling narrative in an action RPG and I'd love to see how the Legend of Heroes style would apply to a lengthy action RPG).

Well, again- Kondo's own comment on this is, "This is unrelated to the Zemuria stories, but fans of the series will understand why it's a Kiseki title."

It's an awesomely vague quote. Then again, he's really good at that. It could mean vague cameos, or it could mean 'Zemuria stories' as in the actual story that's going on, and still have some impact on the world in the current Kiseki games as backdrop information.

Full series spoilers:
<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#000000;">Two Kiseki games have gone into 'other world' concepts. With Phantasmagoria in 3rd, and the Spirit/Astral World in Ao.</span>

For this reason, there's not enough information to write it off as 'completely unrelated.'

[Wyrdwad]

Yeah, I think it's kind of a safe bet that it WON'T be completely unrelated, honestly. But it's very possible to create a story that's standalone while still part of a larger whole in some way, and that's very much what I'm expecting here.

-Tom

[KnightofAncient]

The theme to Nayuta no Kiseki is now internationally available.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/nayuya-no-hoshi-no-monogatari/id531259578

[sanddeamon]

nice updates, cheers :)
the trailer looks promising ..looking foward for more :)

[KnightofAncient]

New gameplay video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8iqpA4XG0&list=UUI4kCOGFXW7-tpdCSBMmsJw&feature=plcp

[Wyrdwad]

Well, that pretty much clinches it.

This is Zwei III in disguise.

And I couldn't be more excited for it. ;)

-Tom

[The Shadow Court]

Really looks fun. The platforming looks very smooth.

[fireslash]

its almost like YS in its last sequels
i wonder of they r going to make trails in 3D but keeping the RPG genre not adding the ARPG
seen the gameplay but dont know about the world exploration its like a stratigic RPG where u select the location u want to go instead of walking in routes to reach ur destination

[Savin877]

Well, that pretty much clinches it.

This is Zwei III in disguise.

And I couldn't be more excited for it. ;)

-Tom

Oh lord is that some vaguely hidden and well disguised localization announcement waiting to happen? Wait let me post this again I can't resist.

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[Chaosblade]

More like he's going to play it in Japanese regardless of whether or not anyone will ever be able to play it in English.

[Wyrdwad]

Absolutely. Whether or not XSEED picks it up, I'll be playing it as close to launch day as is physically possible. ;)

-Tom

[The Shadow Court]

Did we ever get a name of the world where Nayuta and most of his friends live? We know it's Remnant Island and then there's the Sciencia (or Cynthia) sea, so I'm guessing a lot like past games we only know the name of certain regions. Except, I guess this time it's just an island and a vast sea in a believably flat world. Without doubt, it seems to contain a lot of mystery.

[The Shadow Court]

Good news. Famitsu gave Nayuta straight 8's for their review. Unfortunately, we didn't get a summary or analysis.

http://andriasang.com/con1yj/famitsu_reviews/

[321jassman]

I take Famitsu's scores with grain of salt, plus any other reviews out there.

[Peytral]

Good news. Famitsu gave Nayuta straight 8's for their review. Unfortunately, we didn't get a summary or analysis.

http://andriasang.com/con1yj/famitsu_reviews/

From what I've seen from Famitsu, that isn't exactly "good news". Practically every score I see by them is 34+.

[SpaceDrake]

Oh no. They're easy on Square-Enix games but that's about it. Stuff from smaller developers like Falcom does not get a pass. They have harshed, like REALLY harshed, on Gust or Nippon Ichi games that they felt weren't up to scratch in the past. So straight 8s from Famitsu ain't too bad.

[The Shadow Court]

Yeah, I figured 8/10 is pretty much a "must buy". I'm leery of giving any game 10/10 unless it is almost literally gaming perfection so anything around an 8 or 9 says something. It would be nice to see a write up on it explaining the scores they give but you know, it's all a matter if you really care about review scores in the first place. There's been at least a few times I've played a badly reviewed game that I enjoyed. Heck, I've really liked games that are negatively received by most people (Gagharv Trilogy U.S. PSP!) but regardless, I believe Nayuta is going to get the praise it most likely deserves.

[Chaosblade]

Well, it's pretty much in line with what they gave the PSP Ys games. Or at least Seven and Oath (I think one was 8, 8, 8, 8 and the other was 7, 8, 8, 8).


Not that I'd really put any stock in Famitsu reviews anyway.

[Fabrizo]

I must have missed this, but did Nayuta drop the LoH from its name?

[321jassman]

I must have missed this, but did Nayuta drop the LoH from its name?
Because it's a Kiseki title and not a LoH one?

[Chaosblade]

I think it was dropped from Nayuta since the gameplay is completely different than the LoH series.

[321jassman]

Also completely unrelated plot-wise to the Zemuria stories.

[The Shadow Court]

We finally get to see Saint Elysees.

[Blackiris]

Out now!

Please share your experience with the game with us in case any of you should play the Japanese version. :)

[Shizuka]

People have been talking about the game on another topic, maybe you'll find more info over there:

http://xseedgames.com/forums/showthread.php?1689-trails-of-nayuta

[Ventara]

Out of curiosity, what does everyone here think the chances are of Nayuta getting localized? It doesn't have any prequels to hold it down, but it is a PSP release, and still seems to have a large amount of text, so I don't know if XSEED would see it as profitable, even as a PSN only release.

Reason I'm asking is I've got my finger hovering over the import button. I know I'm putting the cart before the horse here, but I've read immersing yourself into Japanese game/videos is a good way of speeding up learning Japanese, and this game looks really good.

[Wyrdwad]

It's something we'll consider, at least, but it does have a LOT of text -- a lot more than it needs, quite honestly -- so if it happened, it wouldn't be for quite a long time. I'd say import it and enjoy, for now. The gameplay is absolutely *exceptional*, whereas the story is honestly not that great (by Falcom standards, anyway), so you won't be missing too much. The biggest issue with playing the import version would be not immediately understanding how to pull off the wide variety of new moves you learn steadily over the course of the first five chapters, but a few quick forum posts or the inevitable FAQ will help you with that, and then you'll be golden. ;)

-Tom

[Ventara]

*click* Done.

I'm also getting Zwei!!, since I've read it's another game with fairly simple Japanese. This'll be my first time importing a game (going through Play Asia), so hopefully it's a pleasant experience.

[Wyrdwad]

Ah, Zwei... the predecessor to Nayuta no Kiseki. ;)

Don't know how much you know about Zwei's experience system, but that's one thing you won't be able to intuit too easily without knowing Japanese, so let me know and I'll happily explain it to you. It actually carries over to Nayuta a bit as well, though it's been simplified a lot and is nowhere near as important or central to gameplay in Nayuta as it is in Zwei.

-Tom

[Ventara]

Alright, thanks for the heads up, and I certainly will refer to you if I run into any problems. But I probably won't play it soon since I've just started memorizing Kanji radicals. Maybe it's just me, but Japanese seems to be needlessly complex.

[Finjas]

It's something we'll consider, at least, but it does have a LOT of text -- a lot more than it needs, quite honestly -- so if it happened, it wouldn't be for quite a long time. I'd say import it and enjoy, for now. The gameplay is absolutely *exceptional*, whereas the story is honestly not that great (by Falcom standards, anyway),

-Tom

Is it really all that bad?
I should say, I always considered plot as... not the most strong side of Falcom's games. Though, I didn't play in LoH... almost.
It's kind of doubtful that there is worse situation in Nayuta no Kiseki.
I was going to try the game on Japanese as well, but I'm not as good in it... sort of.
And the story usually is one of the most important aspects of the game for me, so I'm very concerned about this statement and interested in details.
Why is it "not so great"?
I mean, is there a lot of stamps or characters developed poorly or smth?
Or you just didn't liked it personally?

[Wyrdwad]

Honestly, I'd say the story and characters in Nayuta fall below any of the Ys titles. Every character is essentially an archetype, and their dialogue is full of unnecessary exposition, repetition and "slow reactions" (i.e. a character says something obviously crucial and everyone forgets about it, but then after panicking for a bit, one of them gets an exclamation point over his head and is like, "oh yeah!" -- then there's a flashback to the character saying the important thing, despite it only happening a few minutes ago).

It's not a BAD story, per se, and there are certainly plot developments and moments of character interaction that are both charming and gripping... but overall, the characters seem much more flat and predictable than in any other Falcom game I've played (I honestly think Nayuta himself is probably one of Falcom's weakest protagonists), the story developments are mostly cliched and predictable and there are lots of minor plot holes and moments of exposition that kind of break immersion.

If you're not really picky about literary conventions and "quality" writing, though, and you're just looking for a decent adventure story with likable characters, you should have no problem. And in my opinion, the gameplay MORE than makes up for any faults in the plotline -- Nayuta no Kiseki ranks on par with or even higher than the best of Ys in terms of pure funfactor. From a pure game design standpoint, aside from long unskippable cutscenes (that often amount to very little), it's a nearly perfect experience.

Do note, though, that it's VERY slow to start -- and a lot of the problems I have with the story and writing are at their most blatant right at the beginning -- so if you play it and find yourself not hooked right away, just be patient. Once you get into the meat of the gameplay, you WILL be hooked. ;)

-Tom

[Finjas]

Well, thank you for quick response.
If so, I'll think about getting the game as it is now, on Japanese. Especially, if it's not going to be released outside of Japan. Soon, at least.

[Shizuka]

Nayuta no Kiseki might have a lot of text, but it'd still be considerably smaller than First Chapter.

[TaleOfUnlimited]

I will wait for it no matter what, Tom! ( not 2 or 3 years though). I don't want to buy a Psp just for one single game that I want .

[Shizuka]

2013 would be the year if XSEED considers Nayuta and give it a greenlight. If by the end of 2013 we don't get the game, we'll never get it (for the PSP).

[Wyrdwad]

I will wait for it no matter what, Tom! ( not 2 or 3 years though). I don't want to buy a Psp just for one single game that I want .

Is that really the only PSP game you'd be interested in, though? I mean, I know you can play most of the ones that have already been released in English on your Vita, but... but... but TV-out! And the ability to semi-easily switch PSN regions! And UMDs!! ;)

-Tom

[Ventara]

I will wait for it no matter what, Tom! ( not 2 or 3 years though). I don't want to buy a Psp just for one single game that I want .

If they do work on it, it will definitely be on PSN (or it might be only PSN), so you could play it on the Vita (which will hopefully have more games that interest you if you don't have one already). Also, releasing it before next year is up would be their ideal time, as any later and their may be more Vita games out that would be even better choices to localize than an old (but great) PSP game.

Anyways, I'm taking a gamble and importing it. I figure even if it makes it here, it'll be digital only (which I will buy to have a copy for my Vita), so I don't have to complain about it being digital only.

[Shizuka]

Is that really the only PSP game you'd be interested in, though? I mean, I know you can play most of the ones that have already been released in English on your Vita, but... but... but TV-out! And the ability to semi-easily switch PSN regions! And UMDs!! ;)

-Tom

Best part of owning a PSP, IMO.

[TaleOfUnlimited]

Ys Seven, Fate Extra, Tits and P3P is all on my Vita. Only games left interested me is Nayuta and Gods Eater Bust(not yet in vita psn store, f u Sony). Vita is region free for Vita games only not psp games T_T. Sony seem to hate the word "compatibility".

[Ventara]

Ys Seven, Fate Extra, Tits and P3P is all on my Vita. Only games left interested me is Nayuta and Gods Eater Bust(not yet in vita psn store, f u Sony). Vita is region free for Vita games only not psp games T_T. Sony seem to hate the word "compatibility".

What region are you in? I think I saw Gods Eater Burst on PSN here in NA. And not only Sony, but Nintendo. Both the Vita and 3DS are a step down when it comes to compatibility and ease of use with import games.

[TaleOfUnlimited]

NA. I didn't see it in the list for the PSP games that is compatible for Vita. At least for Nintendo, I can buy and play ds games.

[Ventara]

NA. I didn't see it in the list for the PSP games that is compatible for Vita. At least for Nintendo, I can buy and play ds games.

Just checked and it's on there. But yeah, full compatibility with DS is a definite pro for the 3DS, though I'm still kinda glad they got rid of UMDs, even if they were cheap.

[Wyrdwad]

Vita is region free for Vita games only not psp games T_T.

That's not technically true. You CAN play Japanese PSP games on your non-Japanese Vita... but your Vita has to be linked with a Japanese PSN account, which means none of the digital titles you bought on your English account will play anymore. And you'll have to reset your Vita to factory default settings before you can switch accounts on it.

The good news, though, is that there's no limit to the number of times you can swap accounts on a single system, as far as I'm aware. So you could always reset your Vita, link it with a Japanese PSN account, buy and play Japanese PSN games, then reset it and switch it back to your English PSN account after you were tired of them. ;)

This is a lot easier to do on the PSP, though. (And even easier on the PS3, where you can just create and log in as a different user who happens to be associated with J-PSN.)


though I'm still kinda glad they got rid of UMDs, even if they were cheap.

I really don't get the UMD hate. I love the things! Rumors of their long load times and noisiness are highly exaggerated. ;)

-Tom

[Ventara]

That's not technically true. You CAN play Japanese PSP games on your non-Japanese Vita... but your Vita has to be linked with a Japanese PSN account, which means none of the digital titles you bought on your English account will play anymore. And you'll have to reset your Vita to factory default settings before you can switch accounts on it.

The good news, though, is that there's no limit to the number of times you can swap accounts on a single system, as far as I'm aware. So you could always reset your Vita, link it with a Japanese PSN account, buy and play Japanese PSN games, then reset it and switch it back to your English PSN account after you were tired of them. ;)

This is a lot easier to do on the PSP, though. (And even easier on the PS3, where you can just create and log in as a different user who happens to be associated with J-PSN.)



I really don't get the UMD hate. I love the things! Rumors of their long load times and noisiness are highly exaggerated. ;)

-Tom

I did the account switching a couple of months back to download some Japanese demos, but I've read Sony updated things to prevent that since then. I don't know if it's accurate, since I haven't tried switching accounts on my Vita in a while.

[TaleOfUnlimited]

That's not technically true. You CAN play Japanese PSP games on your non-Japanese Vita... but your Vita has to be linked with a Japanese PSN account, which means none of the digital titles you bought on your English account will play anymore. And you'll have to reset your Vita to factory default settings before you can switch accounts on it.

The good news, though, is that there's no limit to the number of times you can swap accounts on a single system, as far as I'm aware. So you could always reset your Vita, link it with a Japanese PSN account, buy and play Japanese PSN games, then reset it and switch it back to your English PSN account after you were tired of them. ;)

This is a lot easier to do on the PSP, though. (And even easier on the PS3, where you can just create and log in as a different user who happens to be associated with J-PSN.)



It seem that there still more stuffs that I don't know about Vita :cool:, do I also need a Japs PSN card too to buy the games ?

[Wyrdwad]

Well, bear in mind I haven't tried this just yet (I access J-PSN from my PSP and PS3, and haven't had a need to do so from my Vita thus far), so I can't really guarantee the accuracy of any of this -- especially if what Ventara's saying is true. But to the best of my knowledge, this can be done without issue on the Vita.

And yeah, that's the biggest downside to creating a Japanese PSN account: Unless you own a credit card with a Japanese billing address, you'll need to buy cards/codes online in order to purchase anything.

-Tom

[Shizuka]

Switching PSN accounts on the PS Vita is really easy, if you follow a good internet tutorial.

[Wyrdwad]

Ah, that's good to hear. I might have to try it out sometime soon, just to get an idea what sorts of crazy Vita content might be available on J-PSN right now. ;)

-Tom

[Shizuka]

I'd go after those tutorials to post here, but there are dozens of them and I've never tested it myself.

[rpgfan]

Is that really the only PSP game you'd be interested in, though? I mean, I know you can play most of the ones that have already been released in English on your Vita, but... but... but TV-out! And the ability to semi-easily switch PSN regions! And UMDs!! ;)

-Tom


Definitely not the only PSP game i'm interested in. Nayuta looks pretty, but please don't just go after this one and ignore other PSP games.