W00t? ANOTHER Trails game? For PSP?

[raz0rback2]

I'm not sure what I exactly want to say with this thread but it was a big slap in my face as I read this news:

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/12/20/next-trails-game-is-trails-of-nayuta-and-its-for-psp/

Why are there "thousands" of Trails games coming (and even for PSP) and it seems I'll never get my hands on them :/
Can't you change anything here, XSEED boys and girls? You could put your emphasis on those games and could establish a big selling series over here, too.

It was never easy for new IPs and Trails was new to the US. Keep releasing it, spread the words that those are fantastic games and you, XSEED, will SUCCEED... well, you have to :o

Bring TitS for Vita, you have the licence rights. There are no RPGs when the Vita launches in the US... do something ;)

I hope my English was good enough to understand me xD

[Lumina]

Ugh, this stinks. Even more Legend of Heroes goodness we'll never see in English... :(

[Chaosblade]

Ugh, this stinks. Even more Legend of Heroes goodness we'll never see in English... :(

More encouragement to learn Japanese, I say. Been at it for about a week now and it's not as bad as I expected.

Edit: Is that their release schedule at the end of the teaser? What's that on the bottom, looks like this is the PSP game mentioned and I think that's Ys in the first Vita section. And I wonder if the blurred out stuff is an unannounced game?

Edit2: Oh, I guess it's ZnK Vita, for some reason I was under the impression that was already out. Still, I guess that's an unannounced game that's blocked out. Bet it's Ao no Kiseki Vita and we can all be disappointed in yet another game we'll never see in English!

[Shizuka]

PSP. *sigh*

[perrandy]

Ugh, this stinks. Even more Legend of Heroes goodness we'll never see in English... :(i havent read the whole thread yet but.... THIS!

[Ragnawind]

Even if PSP is not an option, there is always Vita. They can be distributed digitally on PSN OR ported to Vita. There are games that are ported to other consoles when licensed in another region.

[Chaosblade]

Even if PSP is not an option, there is always Vita. They can be distributed digitally on PSN OR ported to Vita. There are games that are ported to other consoles when licensed in another region.

I'm not sure the platform is that big of an issue. Even if it did turn out to be another 2 UMD game (which seems unlikely), they would already plan for PSN during development. And "porting" to Vita could be as simple as adding trophies and running the game in backward compatibility mode.

Apart from SCEA being meanies and possibly refusing to release a PSP game as a Vita game down the line, the bigger issue is that these are huge text heavy games that take up time that could be spent on multiple other, less text-heavy games. And if Trails FC is any indication, the games probably aren't going to sell equal to what two or three other games could sell combined.

I'm not expecting any Trails games getting localized (by XSEED at least) after SC, regardless of platform.

/pessimism

[KnightofAncient]

That other game listed below Ys4 is Zero no Kiseki full voice edition.

[Wyrdwad]

Yep, what KnightofAncient said. For some reason, the "full voice edition" part of the title is blurred out, which is... odd. No idea what they might be getting at with that.

-Tom

[Ventara]

Oh man, another one? Us waiting for an English release will never catch up, will we?

[Miyuki]

Yep, what KnightofAncient said. For some reason, the "full voice edition" part of the title is blurred out, which is... odd. No idea what they might be getting at with that.

-Tom

Someone on 2ch mentioned it looks like "Evolution".

[Shizuka]

I can't think of any Trails game other than SC. I must focus on what's possible, and leave the impossible for later.

[FlamesOfGrey]

I'll definitely import this. Strange they're going with the PSP though considering Y's IV and Zero No Kiseki Voice Edition are Vita bound. The PSP is getting a ton of RPG's next year from Tales to Suikoden to more Eiyuu Densetsu. I guess it still has alot of life left in Japan even with the Vita launch.

[PringlesXD]

I can't think of any Trails game other than SC. I must focus on what's possible, and leave the impossible for later.

I agree completely ~

[Ryos]

I'm not sure the platform is that big of an issue. Even if it did turn out to be another 2 UMD game (which seems unlikely), they would already plan for PSN during development. And "porting" to Vita could be as simple as adding trophies and running the game in backward compatibility mode.

Apart from SCEA being meanies and possibly refusing to release a PSP game as a Vita game down the line, the bigger issue is that these are huge text heavy games that take up time that could be spent on multiple other, less text-heavy games. And if Trails FC is any indication, the games probably aren't going to sell equal to what two or three other games could sell combined.

I'm not expecting any Trails games getting localized (by XSEED at least) after SC, regardless of platform.

/pessimism

With the massive walls of text in LoH, I tend to agree that this series just might not make it over here regardless of platform. Lots of localization costs+reasonable (?) profits=why bother? I think you're right that it's certainly incentive to learn Japanese because really the only question is how many of the games don't end up being localized.

[Shizuka]

I agree completely ~

I'm glad we agree, we have to unite our forces and make SC happen before it's too late.

[RedGraveXIII]

this...this worries me.
im just gonna pretend that SC is the final chapter in the series for now, and when that gets localized i'll be like "O HAY LOOK THERES ANOTHER ONE!", rinse and repeat. :P

[Ryos]

this...this worries me.
im just gonna pretend that SC is the final chapter in the series for now, and when that gets localized i'll be like "O HAY LOOK THERES ANOTHER ONE!", rinse and repeat. :P

Probably the best way to look at the situation.

[Megamixer]

XSeeds backlog keeps on growing. Get those whips crackin' over there. We need each and every one of these games localized!

[NorseFTX]

Go, XSEED, go!
I wish there was more I could do for them besides stalking all their releases and throwing coins at them.

[Raguna]

Go, XSEED, go!
I wish there was more I could do for them besides stalking all their releases and throwing coins at them.

I'm pretty sure your doing enough all ready. The only more you can do is mostly suggest a game so it can be brought over here problably. Now all we have to do is hope it comes here.

[MulderYuffie]

Great another LoH game that likely won't see the light of day in America. :(

[Chaosblade]

On the other hand, it looks like it might not be directly connected to current series. If that's the case, and if XSEED does have any interest in further pursuing the series, it might be possible for them to skip to this game.

If, if, if. Lots of them.

[Shizuka]

If everybody manages to buy Trails in the Sky again (digitally) once the PS Vita is released, I guess XSEED could get a good bump on sales.

[PringlesXD]

If everybody manages to buy Trails in the Sky again (digitally) once the PS Vita is released, I guess XSEED could get a good bump on sales.
Already have it, so yay for me ~

[stealth20k]

First of all xseed only has contract for SC and TC. Zero and Blue I assume are open game for anyone. Just like this one. And if they release it in 2012. A physical release would be a definite.

[Kirbs]

Ugh....seeing this and all the speculation on SC just makes me more depressed and anxious... :(

Xseed has such a huge backlog to clear out. I guess we're likely to get anything new that is Ys at least...

[stealth20k]

Ugh....seeing this and all the speculation on SC just makes me more depressed and anxious... :(

Xseed has such a huge backlog to clear out. I guess we're likely to get anything new that is Ys at least...

Remember they only agreed to do the first 3. After that its anyones bet who picks up LoH from now on

[Kirbs]

Remember they only agreed to do the first 3. After that its anyones bet who picks up LoH from now on

What makes you so sure anybody else will pick up a game with more text than a final fantasy game to localize? I highly doubt anybody else but Xseed will do it..and if Tits FC already sold horribly then the chances of them releasing anything past the first three are grim if we even get the rest of the first three or at least SC.

[stealth20k]

The first didnt sell horribly though.

And remember before xseed we said nobody would do it, and look someone did. So anything is possible. I never thought nintendo would localize dragon quest but thats whats happened

[Kirbs]

You realize we've been told that Tits FC didn't "meet expectations" right?

[Shizuka]

He doesn't, that's why I've sent him here, to know the real reality of TiTS.

[stealth20k]

"meet expectations" and not selling well in reality arent always the same things

A game can sell 100k which in reality is pretty good but if they wanted to sell 500k, they ddint meet expectations

[Kirbs]

Lets hope they can at least push SC through...

If the very fist game didn't sell well I don't expect its predecessors to follow it. I would at least like to finish Tits story though.

Ideally Xseed should just release everything Tits related on steam. THAT would probably boost the chances to see all this other stuff coming out.

[Kirbs]

"meet expectations" and not selling well in reality arent always the same things

A game can sell 100k which in reality is pretty good but if they wanted to sell 500k, they ddint meet expectations

Dude....Tits wasn't expected to sell huge numbers in the first place. Companies like these tend to target smaller audiences and profit off them. If a game that had low expectations didn't meet them then the reality is that its pretty grim to see any sequels.

[stealth20k]

It wouldn't boost chances at all. Your acting like the system its on is the reason why it isnt releasing more quickly. It isnt. Its manpower. From what I read, the game sold marginally well. Not a disaster.

[stealth20k]

Dude....Tits wasn't expected to sell huge numbers in the first place. Companies like these tend to target smaller audiences and profit off them. If a game that had low expectations didn't meet them then the reality is that its pretty grim to see any sequels.

Like I said what I read, they met expectations. Maybe its different depending on who you talk to within the company. Games that have sold terribly, have had sequels localized. Theres alot more that goes into something than just profit. Because if that was the case nothing would ever get made as around 20 percent of games make profit.

[Kirbs]

It wouldn't boost chances at all. Your acting like the system its on is the reason why it isnt releasing more quickly. It isnt. Its manpower. From what I read, the game sold marginally well. Not a disaster.

Have you not seen the PSP's state in America? Pirates, pirates everywhere.

The system kinda is the reason...and not because its bad...more because of the audience the system has.

[Kirbs]

Like I said what I read, they met expectations. Maybe its different depending on who you talk to within the company. Games that have sold terribly, have had sequels localized. Theres alot more that goes into something than just profit. Because if that was the case nothing would ever get made as around 20 percent of games make profit.

You sure are optimistic.

[stealth20k]

Have you not seen the PSP's state in America? Pirates, pirates everywhere.

The system kinda is the reason...and not because its bad...more because of the audience the system has.

I have seen the psp's state in america. It is one of many systems with a pirate problem.

I would be more inclined to agree with you if psp games werent getting localized physically to this day and through next year. Developers and publishers havent given up on it yet.

And once they do I will be the first one to say it probably isnt likely.

If xseed can somehow ( maybe through a miracle) get SC done before the end of 2012, I would fully expect a psp physical release.

[PringlesXD]

Some developers and publishers.

[Megamixer]

On the other hand, it looks like it might not be directly connected to current series. If that's the case, and if XSEED does have any interest in further pursuing the series, it might be possible for them to skip to this game.

If, if, if. Lots of them.

Here's another if: What if this game is unconnected and instead the start of a whole new saga and its sequels come out on Vita? If the first game is skipped they can't very well release the later ones. Well... they could, but... it wouldn't be optimal that's for certain.

[stealth20k]

Some developers and publishers.

xseed included.

[Kirbs]

He doesn't, that's why I've sent him here, to know the real reality of TiTS.

Its not working.

[stealth20k]

Lets just see what happens shall we?

If the game is somehow finished in 2012. I would expect the same treatment its giving its feb 2012 psp release.

If it doesnt make it and the vita has been out awhile we will see what happens.

I wouldnt exclude putting the game on a vita card either.

[Chaosblade]

Not really worth a new topic since this one already exists, but Falcom mentioned that they are already working on another Kiseki game. Not Nayuta no Kiseki, but the one after it. I kind of wonder whether or not they just meant the story was in progress since the two games might tied together.

http://andriasang.com/comzw3/next_kiseki/

[omgfloofy]

It's not really news. If you look at the character book for Trails in the Sky FC, a lot of the rough/early character designs were dated from 2000. They had been working on that game for at least 4 years when FC finally came out for PC originally. I don't think this is unusual from Falcom in general. They were showing screenshots of Gurumin in 2001 and so forth on their site, without stating what they were from.

Oh, I miss the days of the 'screenshot table' on the Hot Information page. xD

[DarkFusion]

Some news on Trails of Zero Vita:

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/02/07/the-legend-of-heroes-trails-of-zero-evolution-adds-more-than-voice-acting/

Our chances of ever seeing this game in English? Anyone know what the lowest negative number is? We may have to invent a new one :p

[SilverCitizen]

Every time I see anything Legend of Heroes related on a news site, I die a little inside. :/

[Raguna]

So do I Silver. So do I...

[Downward]

Every time I see anything Legend of Heroes related on a news site, I die a little inside. :/

Thirded. I don't think we'll ever get caught up in this series in English. ;_;

[stealth20k]

it wont ever all be released here in english. But in reality it never was. We are lucky wwe got 4 of the games in english for the first time this gen

I cant wait to see the new psp game and the one after it

[PringlesXD]

So, ever since I released FC, I got a little selfish. I kinda want SC for PSP now. :~

[stealth20k]

english would be nice but oh well

[Kirbs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osqv40bXmm0&feature=g-u-u&context=G2b12106FUAAAAAAAAAA

This is a new trailer to Zero no Kiseki Evolution (the full voice version thats coming to vita). In all honesty while I am still pessimistic about SC/TC, the fact that Falcom is doing this makes me think its so that we can get the Crossbell games at some point (I think they mentioned somewhere that they also wanna do a full voice Ao and Nayuta might be the third installment to the Crossbell games implying that it might get a vita release too.). So basically, if we manage to get SC-TC, there is probably still a chance for Zero, Ao, Nayuta.

Like I said though, still pessimistic. If sales on PSP didn't do well, the only hope might be a digital release or PC steam release.

[Chaosblade]

Nayuta is separate, as far as I know. But who knows what that means, it could be completely separate spin-off that just plays similarly but is totally unrelated to the story from the other five games, or it's like Zero in that it just starts a new arc.

And I guess the thing about Zero is that it's possible it could get released on Vita without SC or 3rd getting released without anybody missing too much. I'd take that option over nothing, but it's hardly ideal, alas, in an ideal world Trails would have sold so much that XSEED could have hired staff to get the west caught up on the whole series.

[Kirbs]

Nayuta is separate, as far as I know. But who knows what that means, it could be completely separate spin-off that just plays similarly but is totally unrelated to the story from the other five games, or it's like Zero in that it just starts a new arc.

And I guess the thing about Zero is that it's possible it could get released on Vita without SC or 3rd getting released without anybody missing too much. I'd take that option over nothing, but it's hardly ideal, alas, in an ideal world Trails would have sold so much that XSEED could have hired staff to get the west caught up on the whole series.

I think they can still get the popularity on those games that they missed if they did a steam release. Since Vita is a new console a Zero no Kiseki release will be a clean new slate and if people like it they would go back and give more sales to the TiTS games.

[Chaosblade]

I guess that could work, I don't have any doubt Falcom's catalog in general could see quite a bit of success on Steam. Still, XSEED would need to justify localizing Zero. New platform, new potential, I guess? It would also be weird if they essentially skipped 3rd, even if only temporarily.

And there's still the lingering problem that Falcom can release these games faster than XSEED can localize them, unless something changes.

[PringlesXD]

I've been looking for that trailer for ages ~

[Kirbs]

I guess that could work, I don't have any doubt Falcom's catalog in general could see quite a bit of success on Steam. Still, XSEED would need to justify localizing Zero. New platform, new potential, I guess? It would also be weird if they essentially skipped 3rd, even if only temporarily.

And there's still the lingering problem that Falcom can release these games faster than XSEED can localize them, unless something changes.

Well I guess we just still have to play the waiting game. All this uncertainty fills me with angst though. I wish we could at least know the progress of the translation lol.

On a relatively unrelated note: I know TC is shorter than SC but longer than FC. How much longer is ZnK and AnK compared to the first triology?

[Chaosblade]

Someone will probably correct me, but I think both are in the ballpark of SC in terms of text. That doesn't necessarily represent length or scale though, I think SC is the "biggest" game world, but Ao is the longest of all the games. That's just based on what I've read from people who have played them though, you may have seen some of those posts on GAF.

[Kirbs]

Guess you're right about the issues concerning translating speed. Go figure that a game takes longer to translate than to make. I mean Falcom does have pretty small dev teams last I read.

[Grimmy]

And I guess the thing about Zero is that it's possible it could get released on Vita without SC or 3rd getting released without anybody missing too much. I'd take that option over nothing, but it's hardly ideal, alas, in an ideal world Trails would have sold so much that XSEED could have hired staff to get the west caught up on the whole series.

That's completely untrue. AFAIK Zero pretty much spoils a huge chunk of SC and 3rd, and if you didn't play those games a lot of the relationships won' make much sense to you. In other words, skipping over SC and 3rd and releasing Zero next isn't really an option.

[Kirbs]

That's completely untrue. AFAIK Zero pretty much spoils a huge chunk of SC and 3rd, and if you didn't play those games a lot of the relationships won' make much sense to you. In other words, skipping over SC and 3rd and releasing Zero next isn't really an option.

You realize that a ton of people in Japan went into the LoH series starting from Zero and Ao and then this got them to buy the earlier games right? Having SOME LoH games is better than none. Even though, as far as I've seen, I'd prefer getting all of Tits over here than the Zero and Ao duology.

If anything, doing something like what Chaos suggested would only help to the bringing of the other games over here, including the Tits saga.

[Miyuki]

You realize that a ton of people in Japan went into the LoH series starting from Zero and Ao and then this got them to buy the earlier games right? Having SOME LoH games is better than none. Even though, as far as I've seen, I'd prefer getting all of Tits over here than the Zero and Ao duology.

But, people in Japan already have the first three games ready for playing when they do get into the series from Zero. Currently not a choice here. Doing FC -> Zero just sounds silly.

[Chaosblade]

That's completely untrue. AFAIK Zero pretty much spoils a huge chunk of SC and 3rd, and if you didn't play those games a lot of the relationships won' make much sense to you. In other words, skipping over SC and 3rd and releasing Zero next isn't really an option.

Doesn't really matter if SC and 3rd are spoiled if they aren't going to be available anyway. And like I said, it's not ideal, but I'd rather take something over nothing and get whatever is missing filled in online or something.

It doesn't really matter though, I still maintain the opinion that nothing after SC will ever be available in English, but I do think XSEED will manage to force that one to market.

[Deejilator]

Personally I would rather them localize SC and 3rd and then not localize the rest at least then we can finish the story arc of Estelle and Joshua, though of course I want all of these games to come out in some shape or form. It just sucks that FC didn't sell better, the game deserves so much more love then it got but hopefully it did just well enough and Xseed has enough passion for the series to keep chipping away at them. At this point I'm pretty sure SC will come out the only real question is when, I'm just worried about the rest of the series. Maybe if some of the other games that Xseed has planned do well enough we can get some funding for this series as well. So on that note I recommend that we each go to the biggest city near us and start handing out flyers to everyone we see to promote Xseed games, or we could rob a bank and give all the money to Xseed which ever one you guys prefer.

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[PringlesXD]

Well, obviously.

[raz0rback2]

*click* hihihi

[The Shadow Court]

I was going to make a post if there wasn't an existing one about Nayuta, but yeah, this looks good. Sure, a lot of speculation on whether it will be more of a sci-fi and/or space experience. Looks like from the picture we can see a spaceship and of course, the world in space. An LoH in space? Okay, that sounds good. Hopefully if they do it sci-fi style, we have the whole aliens, FTL, etc aka Kiseki meets Mass Effect. That, or a more steampunk/Spelljammer approach.

[Gintoki]

Kiseki meets Mass Effect? No no, please. Kiseki meets Star Ocean, maybe!

[Shizuka]

Kiseki meets Ys! Oh wait.

[The Shadow Court]

Kiseki meets Mass Effect? No no, please. Kiseki meets Star Ocean, maybe!
Ugh, not with that ending to Eternal Sphere. That whole explanation practically killed the series for me. I mean at least Mass Effect's ending..... Oh wait, never mind that one either. LOL!